Sunday, March 11, 2007

CINDYBIN THE "YAHOO TROLL" STORY

FOR THE RECORD: Regarding "The Cindybin Project: My Adventures on Yahoo and Beyond", I want to state publicly that Love-is-a-Verb a.k.a. Pixie apologized after reading my story, and we were friendly again. However, after posting that story in April 2006 and hesitatingly returning to the boards, many Yahoo bullies became even more vicious, taking things so far that I don't dare post it here, and I was eventually forced to leave the old headline forums for good in early May 2006. Yahoo discontinued those boards the end of 2006.

Yahoo Trolling Story

The following is an article about Yahoo’s former headline boards, written the end of 2006. I came across this piece one day and found it well-written and accurate, even the part about my role in those forums. I am not sure who wrote it; I believe it is the same person who ran the now defunct Cindybin fansite and forums (which I did NOT take part in). But I wanted to include it here because it does a good job of summing up the whole Yahoo experience I went through, described in more detail in my story “The Cindybin Project: My Adventures of Yahoo and Beyond”. It started out so fun, all the banter and debate on those boards, and ended so horribly, what with the abuse, death threats and threats of bodily harm, people threatening to call their lawyer or the cops on me (because I tried to get them to apologize for hurting me), and other acts of meanness I cannot even go into here. I feel I will never be the same. Not just from Yahoo, but from the lowcarb site as well, also mentioned in my story. I also find it hard to believe that it all happened, that people thought someone like me couldn’t be real, etc. I always felt my values and beliefs were much like anybody else’s. I never thought my posts would cause so much hoopla. I was just trying to be genuine and sincere. In any case, the following article is from 365articles.com, a “high quality article database.” I hope you enjoy it.

THE STORY OF THE BIGGEST TROLLING PHENOMENON THE INTERNET HAS EVER SEEN

Yahoo is the one most visited site in the world. It gets over 240 million visitors each month. And not too long ago, within two clicks from Yahoo’s homepage, you could get into Yahoo’s message boards. And on these message boards, lies some of the most vulgar and disgusting messages you will ever read. Trolling used to be a past time for people who frequent these message boards. What is trolling? Trolling is when a person posts something online that is meant to generate shock or anger readers. Basically, it’s a way to get attention in any way possible, and usually posting something obscene is the best way to do it. Yahoo message boards allowed a reader to “recommend” a message, but trolling became so popular on these boards that vulgar messages would get numerous recommendations from other trolls.

No moderators equals chaos

The difference between a Yahoo message board and other online forums was that there were no moderators on Yahoo. People could post whatever they felt and usually what they felt was something mean or nasty. When the Yahoo message boards came online in the late 90’s, almost all the messages back then were civilized and as related to the subject matter at hand. But users started to realize that there was no one watching over them. They could curse and get away with it. They could insult another person’s beliefs or even their family and there would be no consequences. No moderators and being anonymous meant anything goes. People began going on Yahoo message boards not to discuss a certain story, but to troll the message boards and get a high from pissing off or disgusting others. Some have suggested that Yahoo didn’t moderate their message boards because they wanted to get as much page views as possible to generate ad revenue, while others say that Yahoo had way too many message boards and moderating wouldn’t have done any good.

Trolls competing against each other

Only after a couple of years, nearly half of all messages on Yahoo’s message boards were junk and was troll material written by trolls. This caused a problem for some trolls. Being a troll meant receiving as much attention as possible, but it was hard when you have a whole lot of other trolls competing for the same spotlight. So trolls began getting nastier and wittier with their messages. A troll who had posted a gem would receive several or more recommendations from the trolling community and their message would most likely be copied and pasted by other trolls on other message boards and their post would live on, while a failed attempt to be funny or disgusting would result in zero recommendations and their message would fade to obscurity and never be read again.

The most famous troll of all time

The most famous Yahoo troll of all time was a middle-aged housewife that turned into an accidental troll. She had quite a few hobbies such as making cakes and collecting dolls on eBay. But what turned her into such a celebrity in the trolling community was that she was absolutely against smoking weed and pre-marital sex…and she wasn’t trolling. She actually meant it and those were her true beliefs. Around 2004-2005, Cindybin appeared on the Yahoo message boards and whenever the subject of marijuana or pre-marital sex came up, she was always around to preach what she felt was the right thing, that marijuana was bad and pre-marital sex was wrong. The regulars who frequent Yahoo message boards came to realize that she wasn’t trolling when they saw she put in a lot of effort when arguing against drugs and talked like a person who worked at a rehab center. Now a regular troll would have been for drugs, alcohol and pre-marital sex, but Cindybin was against those very things and this made her the focus of a lot of people on Yahoo’s message boards. Being such an anti-troll has turned Cindybin into one. Other trolls began harassing her or try to become friends with her. Whenever Cindybin posted a message, there would be many replies, turning the whole message board into a discussion about her. Cindybin posted pictures of herself on her profile and on her homepage, thus giving her a face to go along with her messages. Perverted trolls would ask her for sexual favors or comment on how she looked. Cindybin’s fame grew to the point where it spawned many imitators trying to copy her name. Cartoons were made about her and she got her own fansite created by a fan. Eventually around the summer of 2006, the group of trolls called the Dana Crew angered Cindybin so much that she left the boards and has never been seen on Yahoo again. But ask any Yahoo message board reader who the most memorable troll was, and most of them will tell you it’s a woman named Cindybin.

The end of an era

On December 19, 2006, the Yahoo Headline message boards where most Yahoo trolls called home closed down and no one knows when or if they would be up again. The original Yahoo message boards were some of the oldest forums on the Internet, being around for more than eight years. Some former Yahoo trolls migrated over to the Cindybin forums while others went over to Google Groups. The golden age of trolling has most likely come to an end, and there’s a chance we might never see anything like it again.

33 comments:

Anonymous said...

i thought you said you were not a troll? your full of it you know that?

Cindybin said...

If you read the article, it makes it clear I am NOT a troll.

Anonymous said...

Cindybin, this is Whosedawg. Shut up. Just shut up and go away.

Anonymous said...

This is ZaneGeist from youtube. I understand the strength of your beliefs and think that you should hold to them if you think they're right. However with your style of comments don't expect others to listen. If your religion says to avoid these things then avoid them but God gave us free will and we will do as we see fit. The first recorded prohibition didn't work and if God couldn't keep two people away from a tree, how would our government keep a nation of 'free' citizen's away? It's a pointless endeavour.

Cindybin said...

Zane, you must be the 200th pot smoker just this week to tell me all this. And that is why I continue to speak up against pot. I never even used to THINK about marijuana before all this! Nobody ever offered me pot or talked about it to me or anything! And I was a teen in the 70s! Same for my husband! And we sure don't know anybody NOW who smokes pot, approves of it or knows where to find it. It is ILLEGAL! Even if it were legal, what parent would ever raise their kids to grow up and use mind-altering drugs to get high and stoned? At any age? Most parents try to raise their kids with morals, values and common sense to know not to use drugs. And that should include alcohol, which is also a drug. A booze drinker is no better than a casual pot smoker, except they aren't breaking the law.

And I have said over and over how furious it makes me when you guys blame my religion on my stance on drugs! I AM A CONVERT TO THE MORMON CHURCH! I was not Mormon and not even religious in high school or college and I sure never smoked POT! You had to be a totally different person to do such a thing! And my husband isn't Mormon and not particularly religious and he'd never smoke pot, and neither would any of our friends, religious or not! Can't you see my point? All I'm saying is that a grown adult should be WELL PAST the age where they'd want to use a mind-altering drug to get high, stoned, buzzed, have "fun", relax and unwind, etc. What a thing to do! People need to grow up and set an example! (Continued)

Cindybin said...

And I have said a million times that I can't MAKE anyone not smoke pot. I don't even know you guys! All I do is react to what people post on the Internet. When someone ADMITS on the world wide web that they use drugs, they have to expect reaction! Of course people are going to be shocked and appalled and want to help talk some sense into them out of love and concern. Do you blame us? And we are all here to make decisions in life, to exercise our free agency, to learn and grow spiritually. That's what life is all about! But do you REALLY think it's a wise decision to light up a joint, smoke it and get high? Aren't you better than that? Of course you are! And think of your future! What type of woman would want to date or marry a guy who smokes pot?? And again, it is ILLEGAL! If you get busted, you can get into serious trouble with the law! Kids need to remember this!

And you guys always blame the LAW for the drug war, rather than yourselves! That drives us all nuts! My whole point is that if people would just shape up and NOT SMOKE POT, the whole legal issue would be moot! How hard is it to not smoke pot? Where would one even FIND this stuff? It is ILLEGAL! I have never even SEEN pot! Even if it were legal, what a thing to do!

And what do you mean, with my "style of comments"? Why wouldn't anyone listen to me? What I say makes total sense! I don't say anything that any other parent wouldn't say!

Comments like yours prove my point about why we all need to speak up against pot and why it should be illegal forever, with very stiff penalties. Again, it is not because of marijuana itself, but because of the people who use and defend it! Like you! Look at you! Instead of being a nice, decent, mature guy and commending me and supporting me for speaking up against drugs, you say the same old things I've heard a billion times over the past ten years from pot smokers, and you blame the LAW for the drug war, and you talk about God, like you are so religious. Well if you guys are all so dang religious, then you of ALL people should know better than to smoke pot! Heck, I wasn't even religious in high school or college and I sure never smoked pot! (continued)

Cindybin said...

And then you are the same guy who asked me on that other board "what is the danger"? You honestly thought that I am against pot because I think it's all dangerous. And again, that is why I continue to speak up against pot, to EDUCATE you guys! You all think that if only we knew how safe marijuana is, and that famous, successful people smoke pot, and that you can function just fine with or without it, and that you use it "responsibly", that we'd suddenly realize it's okay to get high! You just don't get it!

Anonymous said...

when people are calling you the biggest troll on the internet that means you are a troll. Ya know the thing you have to remember is that the best trolls will not admit to being a troll. Anyone who has read you're hate filled comments on youtube know's for sure you are a troll. Nobody gather's the amount of hate like you do without being a troll. You are not the only troll on youtube ive seen other people just like you but they all have something to hate on and to use to talk down to people, but the thing about you're type of troll is that you never admit to being a troll even though its quite obvious you are. you are not original you are a dime a dozen.

Cindybin said...

Dear Anonymous, What are you TALKING about? I don't have any "hate filled comments" on YouTube! Just because I have said we shouldn't use mind-altering drugs doesn't mean I make "hate filled comments." I'm just saying what is COMMON SENSE! I don't say anything that any other parent wouldn't say! What parent would ever raise their kids to grow up and smoke POT? At any age? And it is ILLEGAL in most states! You can get into serious trouble if you get busted! Kids need to realize this and listen to their parents and not use drugs! How is saying something like THAT considered a "hate filled comment"? This proves my point about why we all need to speak up against pot and why it should be illegal forever. It is because of you and all the others like you. Just because a person says we shouldn't use drugs, you say all this stupid, stupid stuff. And you left a TON of mean, stupid, profanity-filled comments on my blogs here, most of which I am not publishing because of the profanity and stupidity. But this proves my point. I actually SHOULD publish them so that the public can see what you people are like. And you call ME a "troll." Yeah right.

Anonymous said...

So this article proves you are a troll. I don't know why you would blow your cover by posting this about yourself. You must be dumb, huh?

Anonymous said...

You're considered a troll because you comment on youtube channels offering to HELP them.... no one wants your help. You aren't going to save anyone who doesnt want to be saved. I'm sure they can find their own salvation if they choose. The one thing you probably failed to consider is the home brewing community on youtube is interconnected. We all know each other, and I can tell you, you've opened pandora's box with the wrong group. I can see your reply now... how horrible, another alcohol drinking pot head... yes I'm a pot head, and a home brewer. I've read your replies, and honestly, put some substance in your reply. If you going to say something, back it up with some information other than this is what the pot heads tell me.... you've shown you are only able to listen to the government propaganda they've been brain washing people with for decades. Marijuana is the safest substances known to man. safer than water. Not a single death certificate in the world has marijuana on it, but people have died from water over dose. Marijuana cures cancer and every other known medical disease or condition. The buzz is not the same as alcohol when you smoke marijuana and neither can be compared with each other. Thats like comparing a cucumber to an apple.
If it's not bad enough you feel the need to attack people on their youtube channels because you think you can save people, throwing religion in the mix is like adding gas to a fire. I don't condemn anyone if they want to practice a religion, but hate to break it to you, but there is no god. we live, we die, thats it.

I'm not writing to save you from the Mormons (who sound as ridiculous as the Jehovah's), I'm expressing my opinion with regards to your ignorance towards marijuana. I done a lot of drugs in my time, but throwing around alcohol and pot are mind altering drugs without any knowledge on what you're talking offends people. You're talk is cheap when you talk down on people about not being an adult because we drink and we smoke pot however you're playing with dolls? My girls stopped playing with dolls when they were 12 and I dont know any adults who collect, or play with dolls but to each their own. If you dont understand why everyone is mean towards you with your "good" intentions by now, then you will never understand. Would you walk up to 2 people having a conversation o the street and interrupt to inject your opinion in a conversation that has nothing to do with you, I hope you said of course not. if you say yes, then you're a lost cause.

I find it funny in your reply to zane you dont know anyone who smokes pots now... why would anyone you know tell you they do with your stance? If i run out of weed, I can call 15 different neighbors in my neighborhood. Just like borrowing a cup of sugar! for the record, I'm an educated IT professional and most of my neighbors are also educated professionals. The taboo on smoking pot is slowly diminishing as people educate themselves on the subject. I'd suggest you do the same. start with watching "run from the cure" by rick simpson. Breaking the taboo is another great one put out by... omg can you believe it... law enforcement, and interviews with past presidents who admit, the war on drugs is a failure and we need to legalize drugs. Drug addicts and people who have drug convictions for possession are a product of people like yourself. Narrow mindedness doesnt look good on anyone.

Anonymous said...

Part 2


I'll be glad when the Liberals win the next federal election here in Canada in 2015... marijuana will be legal right across the board. If I wish to grow my own or buy it from a government regulated store, i can. More and more states are realizing how we've been mislead by the governments and big pharma all of these years. The fight against marijuana is all about money. Thats it, nothing complicated, but very evil in the same right. Marijuana was used for thousands of years as medicine and it worked just fine. If you educated yourself on the subject you'll see I'm right. But I dont need you to admit that I'm right. I have yet to have someone show me evidence that contradicts over thousand of medical studies I can give you that says marijuana is safe. The American government knew in 1975 cannabis Oil (which is concentrated marijuana, also commonly known as hemp oil) that it cures brain cancer.... funny they kept it under wraps until the internet came along eh? If you dont believe me... why did the US government patent how to make cannabis oil after this study hmmmm why didnt they do more studies since the results showed we found a cure that we've always had? Money!

Before I go, one last thing....if you wish to play this game with the home brewers, you're not going to win. Many of us who have youtube channels enjoy playing with trolls. like a cat playing with a mouse before it gets eaten. It took me 3 hours to read all the comments and posts on you from the home brewers, the whole community is watching you... think about how many hundreds of home brewers on youtube who know your name and what you stand for.....you should reach out to the malt liquor drinkers like steel world wide, they need saving more than home brewers. we at least know what goes into our beverages since we make ours.

Cindybin said...

RESPONSE PART 1

AAARGGHHHH OH I CAN'T BELIEVE IT! Yet ANOTHER person who hasn't read a thing I've written over the years! This is why we all need to speak up against pot and alcohol! Can't you see that?? It is because of you and all the others just like you! You must be the 200th Internet person just this week to tell me about how marijuana is safe and that nobody has died from it. OH YOU PEOPLE ARE DRIVING ME INSANE! Why do you guys ALWAYS think that we are against pot because we think it's all dangerous and deadly? NOBODY THINKS THAT! Doesn't it even OCCUR to you guys that we are against it because it's a mind-altering drug?? Pot smokers ADMIT to us all the time online that they use it to get high, stoned, buzzed, relax and unwind, have "fun", enjoy life, etc. We BELIEVE them when they tell us why they use it and how it affects them! And that is why we are against it! That is what makes it wrong! We shouldn't use mind-altering drugs for these reasons! This is good morals and just plain common sense! What parent would ever raise their kids to grow up and smoke POT?? At any age?? Didn't YOUR parents raise you to know better than that?? And it is AGAINST THE LAW! If you get busted, you can get into serious trouble! Kids need to realize that! It won't help to tell the judge how safe "weed" is or that it hasn't killed anybody!

And I already KNOW about the medical benefits! I have said a billion times I'm not against medical marijuana! What do you think I am, some cruel, heartless person who wants people to suffer! I would use it myself if it helped and it were legal for that! I have even been trying for two years to write an article on the BENEFITS of medical marijuana! But I have yet to find a single decent person to interview to use as an example in my article! All the casual users rave about the medical benefits in order to justify getting high, and even the "medical" users I've talked to and seen online have been horrible, cussing me out, threatening me with death and bodily harm, attacking my religion, my looks, my sex life, making mean videos and websites about me, making fun of me for collecting dolls, using lame excuses about how pot is safer than alcohol and cigarettes (as if THAT has anything to do with medical marijuana). I have collected a huge folder filled with THOUSANDS of comments and emails from "medical" users, supporters and growers who are just horrible. Even the 'nice" ones don't get it. They honestly can't see why it is wrong and just plain immature to use drugs recreationally, and they think it should be legal for that! Now all I want to do is write articles using all the comments and emails I have collected, to show what people are like! Doctors and lawmakers need to be aware of this It is just SOOO depressing. I always thought MEDICAL users, growers and supporters would be NICE, that surely they would agree with me that we shouldn't use mind-altering drugs recreationally. I don't say anything that any other parent wouldn't say! What parent would EVER raise their kids to grow up and get high on pot?? At any age??

Cindybin said...

RESPONSE PART 2

Heck, my parents never even said anything to me about drugs and I sure never smoked POT! Nobody ever offered it to me or talked about it to me or anything! And I was a teen in the 70s! And I sure don't know anybody now who smokes pot, approves of it or knows where to find it! It is AGAINST THE LAW! Even if it were legal it doesn't make it right! And we shouldn't use alcohol, either! Alcohol is a drug! A casual booze drinker is no better than a casual pot smoker, except they aren't breaking the law! They are after the same psychoactive effect, that "buzz" one gets from a mind-altering drug! The pot smokers always use the excuse that "pot is safer than alcohol" as if that makes it okay to light up a joint and get high. And they all accuse me of drinking wine and of never saying anything bad about alcohol. Oh that makes me so mad! So then when I DO speak up against alcohol, I get yelled at, too! I can't win!
And I try to AVOID the pot smokers and booze drinkers! I never even knew there were pot or booze videos on YouTube! But people like that horrible Bobbie person, one of your "home-brewing" friends, sends me an email saying that if I have never tried "weed" that I can't possibly speak up against it. OH BROTHER. I hear that ALL THE TIME from pot smokers, and now a "home-brewer" person is saying this to me?? You guys are UNBELIEVABLE!! And then she tells me all the same old stuff about how safe "weed" is and quotes scripture about the seed-bearing plants and how God planted marijuana on the Earth for all of us to enjoy, and she tells me why marijuana was made illegal, as if I haven't heard that a billion times. And then she accuses me of thinking that anybody who has a beer or glass of wine is an alcoholic and a “bad person” when I NEVER SAID THAT! And then she, like you, starts attacking my religion when you guys CLEARLY do not know anything about it; you just believe the things you read and see online that are taken out of context, distorted and just plain false. You don't even TRY to learn the truth. This proves my point about how all you people need to be EDUCATED!

Cindybin said...

RESPONSE PART 3

And then you are GLOATING about how marijuana will be made legal. AARGGHHH. Again, this proves my point about why we all need to speak up against pot and why it should be illegal forever, with VERY STIFF PENALTIES! I hope all the lawmakers and voters in the world see your comments here! That is why I published them, to show the world. Can't you see that anybody reading your comments would realize that pot should be illegal forever?? It is not because of marijuana itself, but because of the people who use and defend it! Like you! LOOK at you! Instead of being a nice, decent, mature guy and taking a stand AGAINST mind-altering drugs, you come here and tell me how safe "weed" is and how it hasn't killed anybody and you gloat about how it will become legal, and you attack my religion, and call me a "troll" even though I am NOT a troll. For the billionth time, I don't say anything that any other parent wouldn't say! This all got started ten years ago where I went to the old Yahoo boards to dispel misconceptions people had about lowcarb diets! I wasn't even THINKING of marijuana then! I never smoked pot, I've never even SEEN it! But all I did was make one innocent little comment on a marijuana story about how we shouldn't use drugs and that you can get into trouble if you get busted, and all heck broke loose! Pot smokers appeared out of nowhere and cussed me out, threatened me with death and bodily harm, attacked my religion, made fun of me for collecting dolls, and of course they all accused me of thinking that marijuana is dangerous and deadly and "ruins your life", and they all tried to describe how fun it is to get high, and they thought that if only I knew this, I'd suddenly realize it's okay. OH BROTHER! So I explained myself further, thinking surely they'd understand. But the more I explained, the worse they got! I ended up writing thousands of comments, even a BOOK about my experiences there! Haven't you read it? I thought people had read that an understood! I put all that behind me and wasn't even THINKING of marijuana! But you guys just won't let it go. And now, after all these years, I realize why we all need to speak up against pot and alcohol! If only I had more time, but I don't! I don't have TIME to do this! But I realize we all SHOULD speak up against it. And I let you post here, I publish your comment, to show the world how RIDICULOUS you guys are! That way I don't have to do all the work! I just let you guys do it for me!
And of COURSE I wouldn’t go up to people on the street and demand to know if they smoke pot or drink alcohol! What do you think I am, nuts??? Again, this all started just because I made one little comment ten years ago on a Yahoo story about marijuana!

Cindybin said...

RESPONSE PART 4

And then of course you just HAVE to bring up about me “playing with dolls.” OH YOU PEOPLE ARE HORRIBLE! I have said over and over that doll collecting is a very popular, rewarding hobby for ADULTS! ADULTS! ADULTS! Get that through your head! There are thousands of doll videos made by and for adults, thousands of doll websites, groups, clubs, organizations, guide books, magazines, etc. I go to vintage doll and toy shows and they are packed, with ADULTS! The guys go for action figures, toy cars, trains, etc. and the ladies go for collectible dolls! We like to sew for them, fix them up and display them, learn their history, etc. It is just a hobby! I have many other hobbies and interests as well, I just don’t make videos or write blogs about everything else that I do! Can’t you guys see that?? Why do you ALWAYS have to bring up my dolls? You ALWAYS have to make fun of me for this, always trying to hurt me, make me feel bad about myself, in order to justify your drug use. You are just HORRIBLE. And again, this is why I continue to speak up against pot and alcohol! It is because of you and all the others just like you! I never even THOUGHT about pot and alcohol before all this! But boy have you guys opened my eyes!
And then I just saw the part you wrote about how nobody I know in real life would TELL me that they smoke pot “with my stance.” OH BROTHER. You guys are all alike. You must be the 200th Internet person just this week to imply that my friends would never tell me that they smoke pot, for fear of how I would react. HAHAHAHAHA. I have told my friends this and they LAUGH. Do you realize how ridiculous you sound?? First of all, I rarely ever speak about pot in real life! Why would I? All my friends are nice, decent women—wives and mothers, most are religious, some are not but they sure don’t smoke POT! We do other things—talk, go shopping, etc. We don’t even THINK about marijuana in our daily lives! I sure never thought about pot before all this! But boy have you guys opened my eyes! You guys are OUT OF YOUR MINDS when you tell me that my friends would be afraid to tell me that they smoke pot! You JUST DON’T GET IT! And if you are so dang educated, then you of ALL people should know better than to smoke pot! What a thing to do! And what are you doing hanging out with people who smoke pot? Most parents raise their kids to AVOID the other kids who use drugs! They don’t want their own child to be under a bad influence and risk getting in trouble with the law! But even if pot were legal, I sure don’t know ANY parents who would raise their kids to grow up and get high on drugs. And my whole point is that most of these same parents think nothing of using a mind altering drug in the form of alcohol, but they are hypocrites!

Again, your comments here prove my point about why we all need to speak up against pot and why it should be illegal forever. It is not because of marijuana itself, but because of the people who use and defend it! Like YOU! Do we REALLY want people like you walking around actually USING mind-altering drugs? HECK NO!
And stop focusing on the LAW! There wouldn’t BE any “war on drugs” if people would just shape up and NOT SMOKE POT! How hard is it to not smoke pot? Where would one even FIND this stuff? It is ILLEGAL! I’ve never even SEEN marijuana! Even if it were legal it doesn’t make it right! Grow up and set an example!

Cindybin said...

RESPONSE PART 5

Oh, and as I've said a billion times, regarding how I won't "save anyone who doesn't want to be saved", I KNOW that I can't MAKE anyone not smoke pot or drink alcohol! I don't even know you people!! I just react to what people type on the Internet! When you guys tell me all this stuff about how safe marijuana is and how it hasn't killed anybody, and how it's safer than alcohol and when you accuse me of thinking that anybody who smokes pot or drinks alcohol is a "bad person" and that they're going to hell, and when you make fun of me for "playing with dolls" and when you attack my religion, etc., you have to expect reaction! I have said a billion times that everyone has choices, that we are all here to exercise our free agency, to make decisions, to learn and grow spiritually. That's what life is all about! Which is why I ask these people, "Do you REALLY think it's a wise decision to light up a joint, smoke it and get high? Aren't you better than that?" The same goes for alcohol. And other things, as well (pornography, pole-dancing, strip clubs, profanity, premarital sex, etc.) But it makes me so mad when you guys accuse me of thinking that I can MAKE anyone not smoke pot or not drink alcohol, etc. I can't MAKE anyone do or not do anything! I don't even KNOW you! But look at the things you guys say to me! Again, this all started ten years ago just because I made one little comment about how we shouldn't use drugs and that you can get into trouble if you get busted. All HECK BROKE LOOSE! Pot smokers all accused me of thinking that "weed" is dangerous and addictive and kills people and ruins your life and makes you go crazy, they all accused me of believing "government propaganda" and "Reefer Madness", etc. I DON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT MARIJUANA THAT ISN'T TRUE! I dare you to tell me a THING I say about pot that isn't true. For the billionth time, pot smokers ADMIT to us all the time online that they use it to get high, stoned, buzzed, relax and unwind, have "fun", enjoy life, etc. We BELIEVE them when they tell us why they use it and how it affects them! What else do we need to know? And then just the fact that you guys always have to attack my religion and my doll collecting hobby and accuse me of all this WRONG STUFF proves my point about why we all need to speak up against pot and alcohol! And I am DEFENDING myself! Look at how wrong you guys are about everything! You are just SO WRONG! You need to be EDUCATED!!! You come here and honestly think that by telling me that "weed" hasn't killed anybody, that I'll see the light?? OH BROTHER. I wish I had all the time in the world to educate you guys, but I don't. But I do realize that we all SHOULD speak up against it. Boy have you guys opened my eyes! I had no idea that people were like this! I never even THOUGHT about marijuana and alcohol before all this!

Anonymous said...

So you're against weed because it alters the mind to a stress free, calm, and clear state of mind? please list your reasons why taking something that is mind altering is bad? you haven't yet. Smoking pot has nothing to do with morals, nor common sense.... you haven't figured out why everyone is so mean to you so we can safely say you lack common sense so that makes your argument moot. If mind altering is the ONLY reason you have for alcohol and pot then you've lost the argument. Food is mind altering. Turkey comes to mind. Melatonin which is released after eating it, alters your mind.

My parents raised me to think for myself, make my own decisions, and accept responsibility for my actions. the same as I have instilled in my own children. I've educated my children on drugs, alcohol, sex and the world around us. unlike many parents who for whatever reason don't have an open dialog with their children, we do. We've always had a 100% honesty policy with our kids. No matter what age, or subject, if they have a question, they get a real answer. When they're of age, they can make their own informed decision. I agree children shouldn't be smoking pot or drinking to get drunk, but my kids are welcome to have a beer if they wish. They've been taught to respect alcohol, and there is nothing mysterious about it and you know what? My kids aren't the ones running the streets at night, drunk out of their mind, or so stoned they haven't got a clue. I'm not going to divulge their ages but high school and older. Against the law, what a joke.... one mans unjust law so the rich can profit is not a just law. it's called oppression.

Obviously you havent been really working on the benefits of marijuana, there are tons of people who will talk to you. look up Rick Simpsons page on facebook. You'll find a plethora of people who would be more than happy to share their story. marijuana being safe has everything to do with it. nothing else in this world is as safe. To say it's wrong to use because it's mind altering is stupid and shows a lack of knowledge. Enlighten yourself. Of course it should be legal for any use. There is even a movement to marijuana classified as a vegetable for consumption. The plants are packed with vitamins and minerals and extremely good for you. More information for you to research. No one will "get it" because what your saying is ludicrous! you offend people with your OPINION, and thats all it is. An opinion. not fact! maybe you should smoke a joint sometime and see for yourself. I would never dream of using machinery or power tools drinking alcohol but no such reservations after smoking pot. you really can't compare alcohol with marijuana. Alcohol impairs motor skills, pot doesn't. a parents job is to educate, not dictate to their children. Children must learn to make their own choices based on knowledge not just because the parent says so. "Nobody ever offered it to me or talked about it to me or anything!" sounds like your parents didnt educate you well enough.

Anonymous said...

part 2

We don't need YOUR education. I'm an educated professional, and very education in the subject of marijuana. Can you explain how cannabis cures cancer and other medical conditions? can you explain the endocannabinoid system in our bodies? I can. So don't lecture me on needing to be educated. You're the person who needs the education. You are in the minority who wants to keep marijuana illegal and your numbers are falling quickly as people educate themselves on the subject. People are insulted by your words and actions hence the retaliation. You're basically sticking a kick me sign on your own back then wondering why you get such backlash. Wake up! With information available to you via the internet, there is no reason why you should be so ignorant on any subject. actually quite the opposite happens when people disagree the information i post online about marijuana. I educate them unlike you who keeps spewing the same opinion over and over. I can back up what I say with science and medical studies, which include recreational use! you haven't.

I am glad you are posting these comments online. Other people will see what we have to say. This opens peoples eyes and they start to reseach the topic on their own. Thank you for unintentionally promoting positive information on marijuana! You're not hurting the movemnet to legalize marijuana, you're helping it by spewing propaganda. The government has been using the same propaganda for decades, look where it's gotten the government.... almost legalized.

I didnt ask if you would walk up to complete strangers and ask if they smoked weed. I asked if you would interrupt their conversation with your propaganda, what ever opinion it may be for the day. " this all started just because I made one little comment ten years ago on a Yahoo story about marijuana!" NO!! you started this by trolling peoples youtube channels and bringing the homebrewers into this. How does your doll collection justify drug use? I think it's more to point out that maybe you should seek professional help. Maybe you led a very sheltered life, maybe you're a sucker for punishment. Either way, you don't get to play the victim from the backlash to which you created.

Anonymous said...

Part 3

The way you chastise people about marijuana and alcohol, it's very reasonable to think they wouldnt actually tell you. Sounds like you and your friends live in a very sheltered religious community. Are you suggesting that decent people don't smoke pot? You don't a thing about anyone who's replied to your comments. Another ignorant example of your opinions. I'm the type of person who stops on the highway to help a fellow motorist change their tire, and drive them to the nearest gas station if they need gas.

Our educated decisions are just that, educated. There is nothing wrong with smoking marijuana. Other drugs, yes there can be serious consquences like addiction, and overdose. Marijuana should be illegal because people know the truth about it? Maybe religion should be illegal because we know the truth about that too but you don't see opinionated people like yourself walking into a mosque, or church insulting them about THEIR choice. I really get the impression you think that when people are high they're the typical sterotype of cheech and chong. That so far from the truth it's not even funny. If we met in the street, you wouldnt have any idea i was high. "Do we REALLY want people like you walking around actually USING mind-altering drugs? HECK NO!" I had a good laugh at this one. whether you want to accept it or not, you probably interact with people who are high on a daily basis, including your fellow drivers on the road. I can tell you, i'd rather drive on a highway full of pot smokers than 1 person under the influence of alcohol!!

it's very easy not to smoke pot considering it's non-addicting. Marijuana is easy to find, just stop by any of your local schools, malls, convenience stores. Children can buy it anywhere and everywhere. An excellent reason why to LEGALIZE it! regulate it, and sell it like alcohol. leaglizing it will Shut down the drug dealers, keeping it out of the hands of childern. Just because it's mind altering doesnt make it wrong. you should come up with some better reasons than that to keep it illegal. Your arguement is based on personal opinion, nothing more. Law's are not made or changed based on opinion, they are based on fact which you have not supplied. You're the one bringing up the fact we shouldnt be smoking pot because it's illegal and mind altering. It would be better if it were legal yes, but as you can see, we dont care either way.

Anonymous said...

part 4


"pot smokers ADMIT to us all the time online that they use it to get high, stoned, buzzed, relax and unwind, have "fun", enjoy life, etc." umm why else would eanyone smoke pot for? no one is going to smoke it in hopes they'll grow and extra limb. do you think that everyone is stoned or drunk when they reply to outlandish opinions? Do you really think it's alcohol and marijuana talking down about your religion or doll collecting? do you thinking every single person who has replied to you is under the influence of drugs and alcohol? If you say yes, you're more niave than I thought.

You are the epitome of a troll! From wikipedia:

In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4]

on a Final note: "Look at how wrong you guys are about everything! You are just SO WRONG! You need to be EDUCATED!!!" you have educated us with exactly how much professional help you really need. Feel better now that you succeeded in something?

Cindybin said...

Dear Anonymous:

DID YOU NOT READ A THING I WROTE??? Why did I even bother to answer you?? You STILL don't get it! I could reply to each and every stupid comment you made, but I DON'T HAVE TIME! I will address this one little paragraph, though, because it proves my point exactly. You wrote:

"We don't need YOUR education. I'm an educated professional, and very education in the subject of marijuana. Can you explain how cannabis cures cancer and other medical conditions? can you explain the endocannabinoid system in our bodies? I can. So don't lecture me on needing to be educated. You're the person who needs the education. You are in the minority who wants to keep marijuana illegal and your numbers are falling quickly as people educate themselves on the subject."

AAARGGHHH. For the billionth time, I am saying that you guys need to be educated because you THINK that we need to be educated on the health benefits of marijuana and cannabinoids, etc.! Can't you see that?? You honestly think that if only we knew about the health benefits of marijuana, that we'd suddenly realize that it's okay to get high. You honestly think that we don't know about any of these things, and that you and you alone are going to educate us, and then we'll see that marijuana isn't "dangerous and deadly" after all! AAARGGHHHH! For the billionth time, nobody thinks that marijuana is dangerous or deadly! And most people understand that there are health benefits to marijuana! But we are against it because it's a mind-altering drug! Can't you see that?? Pot smokers ADMIT to us all the time online that they use it to get high, stoned, buzzed, relax, have "fun", etc. We BELIEVE them! And that is why we are against it! That is what makes it wrong! Don't you have any morals, values or common sense?? GROW UP! What parent would EVER raise their kids to grow up and get high on pot?? At any age?? What a thing to do! Didn't YOUR parents teach you better than this??? Heck, my parents never even said anything to me about drugs, and I sure never smoked POT! Nobody ever offered it to me or anything! And I was a teen in the 70s! Same for my husband! And I wasn't religious back then! I wasn't some big anti-drug activist! I never even THOUGHT about using drugs!

And then you are accusing me of wanting pot to be illegal. OH THAT DRIVES ME BANANAS. For the billionth time, STOP FOCUSING ON THE LAW, and start focusing on the POT SMOKERS! I don't want pot to be illegal! I just want people to NOT SMOKE POT! How hard is it to not smoke pot? Where would one even FIND this stuff? It is ILLEGAL! I have never even SEEN marijuana! Even if it were legal it doesn't make it right! And if people would just shape up and not use drugs, the whole legal issue would be moot! We wouldn't even HAVE any "drug laws" because people would have the morals and values and maturity to know not to use drugs in the first place! They wouldn't even know what drugs ARE! They wouldn't even be THINKING about this! I sure never thought about marijuana before all this! But boy have you guys opened my eyes! Now I realize it should be illegal forever, with VERY STIFF PENALTIES. Not because of marijuana itself, but because of the people who use and defend it! Like YOU! GROW UP! You set a terrible example and go against everything that most parents try to teach their kids about drugs and life!

Anonymous said...

You talk about mind altering like "
education" is not mind altering. Like religion is not "mind altering".


You are using phrases you cannot fathom.

I feel sorry for your soul. About as much room, air, and light for it to grow as you want to leave a God given herb.

If we have a right to take your dollies you have a right to tell us you know anything better than we do. Keep promoting that book. It is wonderful to see true dedication. The people who fought to keep slaves were dedicated, Hitler was dedicated. It all depends on where dedication lies, some would say, that makes you great at life, or great as a soul.

Anonymous said...

Choke on nigger cock.

Anonymous said...

do you believe a man should have more than one wife?

Anonymous said...

I know you dobt give a fuck about facts and like to make your own up so im just gonna day this since there is no reasoning with your crazy ass stop worrying about what other people are doing and worry about yourself because life is too short to be worrying about people smoking weed which is what im doing as i type this then im about to fuck the dogshit out of my gf whom im not married to and also noone reads those long ass books of copy and paste replys you put up so just stop

Anonymous said...

You lied you said youve never seen it yet youre always looking up videos for weed just to comment and start trouble i may not smoke but my roommate told me all about you and showed me the comments and i can truly say youre crazy

Cindybin said...

Oh you are just HORRIBLE! What is WRONG with you?? First of all, I NEVER go "looking up" videos for "weed"! I don't have time, it is very upsetting to me, and I would drive myself crazy if I actively searched for pot videos! I have said this over and over to you guys who always accuse me of SEARCHING for pot videos! I NEVER DO THAT! There are so many pot videos--thousands of them, entire CHANNELS devoted to smoking pot--that I would go nuts if I searched for them! I try to AVOID them! I only watch doll and craft videos, clips of old TV shows, etc. And then your comments make me realize we all need to speak up against pot even MORE! I never even THOUGHT about pot before we got the Internet. I never smoked pot, I've never even SEEN marijuana! But BOY have you guys opened my eyes! I approved your comments here so that everyone could see what you pot smokers are like!! You come here and cuss and put down a woman just because she says we shouldn't use drugs--I DON'T SAY ANYTHING THAT ANY OTHER PARENT WOULDN'T SAY! What parent would ever raise their kids to grow up and get high on POT? At any age? Most parents try to teach their kids morals, values and common sense to know that this is wrong and just plain immature! And I know many of these same parents think nothing is wrong with using a mind-altering drug in the form of alcohol, but they are hypocrites! A casual booze drinker is no better than a casual pot smoker, except they aren't breaking the law! People need to grow up and set an example and not use mind-altering drugs to get high, stoned, buzzed, relax, have "fun", celebrate, socialize, etc. CAN'T YOU SEE MY POINT? It's not just marijuana I am against, but alcohol, too! How can you not understand this?? And where do you even FIND your "weed"? Who are you that you're above the law? You should be ashamed of yourself! And you talk about "f*cking the dogsh*t" out of your girlfriend. OH BROTHER. And you all wonder why I keep speaking up against pot! Again, I never even thought about pot before all this. I never smoked pot, I've never even SEEN marijuana But BOY have you guys opened my eyes! Because of you pot smokers, I plan to write thousands more comments, tons more blogs, a sequel to my book, and start making anti-pot VIDEOS, just to show the world what you are like! And I will use your comments in all of them!! The world needs to know about you people!!!

Cindybin said...

And then I just saw that comment up there where someone said religion is mind altering, education is mind altering, blah blah blah. I am so sick of you pot smokers telling me that! This has gone on for years online, you immature, immoral pot smokers trying to compare things like religion, education, going to an amusement park, watching TV, sex, jogging, etc. to SMOKING POT! THAT ISN'T THE SAME AT ALL AND YOU KNOW IT! Nobody is purposely ingesting a mind-altering drug into their system when they do those things! What is WRONG with you pot smokers? You are INSANE? Can't you see that I am publishing this ridiculous comments to show how HORRIBLE and RIDICULOUS you people are? It makes everybody realize that we all need to speak up against pot even MORE, and that it should be illegal forever, with VERY STIFF PENALTIES! Not because of marijuana itself, but because of the people who use and defend it! Do we really want people like you walking around actually USING a mind-altering drug?? HECK NO!

Anonymous said...

You need to seek help because you have something wrong with your head you troll

Anonymous said...

We still love you, Cindy Bin!

Anonymous said...

We love you, Cindy Bib!

Anonymous said...

Is it ok to have anal sex before marriage? It's not the vagina so it should be ok, right? I am also a Mormon.